Monday, March 19th, 1984

WISDOM'S GOLDENROD, ALAN BERKOWITZ CLASS NOTES

(TYPED)

MARCH 19a, 1984

ASTROLOGY; HOROSCOPE-KRISHNAMURTI

TOPIC: Astrology

SUBJECT: Horoscope-Krishnamurti

SUBSUBJECTS: Krishnamurti natal chart (trans-Saturnian and Chaldean septiles), Krishnamurti mystical experience (transits)

BOOKS READ FROM OR REFERENCED:

• Marc Edmund Jones, The Astrology of Concepts

• Marc Edmund Jones, The Sabian Symbols in Astrology

SABIAN SYMBOLS: Taurus 21, 29, Gemini 11, 15, Cancer 6, 12, Scorpio 3, 18, Sagittarius 26, Capricorn 6

CHARTS appended to these notes:

• FIGURE 1984 0319a-1. J. Krishnamurti Natal Chart.

• FIGURE 1984 0319a-2. Suggested Transits for Mystical Experience of 2/8/1920.

• FIGURE 1984 0319a-3. Transit Grid for Krishnamurti/Mystical Experience of 2/8/1920.

TYPED AND REFORMATTED by IT 2022

NOTES:

• RETYPED HANDWRITTEN NOTES (hence V08). From Classnotes AB 1984 0312 to 1984 0518.PDF.

• This is 1984 03/19a, Astrology; Horoscope-Krishnamurti evening class, and the first entry associated with this date. 1984 03/19b = Astrology; Horoscope-Krishnamurti seminar from earlier in the day, for which we have no audio, just JF notes.

• All capitalization and punctuation corrected, all abbreviations, astrological glyphs, and one number spelled out.

1984 03/19a at Wisdom's Goldenrod

Astrology; Horoscope-Krishnamurti

[Classnotes AB 1984 0319 Begin]

3/19/84 Krishnamurti

[Note: Sabian degrees and interpretations are from Marc Edmund Jones, The Astrology of Concepts and The Sabian Symbols in Astrology.]

Pluto conjunct Neptune tri-septile Uranus -- his formulation of the doctrine -- a way of knowing what is known = Chaldean structure.

Pluto's compelling act (will) to constantly analyze the environment -- what is he always trying to do. [Gemini 11, "A new real-estate subdivision is revealed with wide paved streets, ornamental lights and a few newly-built houses."]

4th house = structure of his psychic subjectivity.

Tri-septile between trans-Saturnians might make ideas aspected consciously available to him.

Pluto degree -- don't look at your past, 4th house -- subjectivity, degree [is] sense of a new idea = new formulation of subjectivity as immediately given, not in the past. Spontaneity -- do it now.

Neptune -- two Dutch children. [Gemini 15, "Two Dutch children in their immaculate native costumes are studying their lessons together."]

Focusing on the specific content, isolating it from its surroundings.

His idea that you have to do it yourself, find the essential component of yourself.

His teaching was self-enclosed.

Converse with the spiritual actualities behind manifestation -- conscious approach to truth.

Neptune = desire to go within for inspiration, Pluto = will to do it, now.

Uranus -- leaf-covered road in forest. [Scorpio 18, "A winding quiet road, carpeted by the falling leaves, leads through an old fashioned woods rich in autumn coloring."]

Ability to see the potentials available, universalization.

What the Neptune Pluto gave as a means he would see as universally applicable to others through the Uranus.

Uranus Neptune tri-septile -- 1 degree 4 minutes

Uranus Pluto tri-septile -- 2 degrees 14 minutes

Tri-septile point -- 13 degrees 13 minutes [Gemini]

The knowing willing feeling functions are exercised upon the field of perception. They are concerned with its content, the Chaldeans organize the field.

Pluto = a preoccupation with the experiences of daily reality = perception.

Neptune = a built-in feeling that the surfaces of appearance have to be scratched to reveal what is below.

Trans-Saturnians dominate this person, his writings.

Universal approach (he applies it everywhere indiscriminately = a fanaticism) = intense willing towards psychical analysis to reveal feeling.

Krishnamurti's clinging to his own inspiration was in a sense a shortcoming. You also need to understand what that inspiration means. He didn't really engage in dialogue with others.

Transiting Chaldean septile = unembodied reason

Chaldean septile = embodied reason

Septile = certitude

The Chaldean septiles will express the content of the trans-Saturnians.

His Chaldean structure could express the vision.

Sun Mars septile -- 0 degrees 20 minutes

Sun -- moving finger points to passages in a book. [Taurus 21, "A moving finger points to the significant passages in a large open book."]

Mars -- Chinese woman nursing a divine baby. [Cancer 12, "A slant-eyed Chinese woman is nursing a baby, and about the child is the glorious nimbus of divine incarnation.]

Moving finger points to the core of the desire nature (Mars). Pointing out the meaning of desire and its compulsivity.

Every act of desire can be motivated by an act to transcend oneself.

Sun points to the meaning -- the goal of desire is the desireless state. The septile is that truth embodied in his personality.

Mercury septile Moon, septile Saturn

Mercury Moon septile

Moon -- flag bearer, sacrifice for a high ideal. [Sagittarius 26, "The scene is an old-fashioned battle; in the hot hand-to-hand fighting a flag-bearer distinguishes himself." ]

Mercury -- two old cobblers, degree is self-enclosed. [Taurus 29, "Two garrulous old cobblers are working side by side on their ancient bench."]

The lower intellect always functions within the brain.

Re-hashing old shared experiences, old parrot-knowledge.

Mechanical functioning of the lower intellect.

Apperception -- the unknown is known through the known.

Moon -- sacrifice of the lower (ego, bodily) produces in return the flag-bearer, a higher viewpoint -- an ego without egotism. Something survives the sacrifice of the egotism -- a purified ego. Uniting with his beloved destroyed his egotism, but not his ego.

Call to sacrifice the outworn dualistic thinking (Mercury) → release from the ego.

Mercury Moon septile = the truth (flag) or validity of the dualistic standpoint -- anyone that's embodied (Moon) must experience the truth of dualism.

11th [house] Moon = presenting himself as an example or ideal.

Saturn -- house-raising [Scorpio 3, "At a clearing of pioneer days in the forest all the neighbors have gathered to assist in a happy house-raising."] -- sense of the value of relations -- being part of a community -- idea of relations (Mercury), and of physical misery (Moon).

Saturn = common sympathy of all.

Dialogue → social change.

Saturn Mercury septile -- to be is to be in relationship. Without dualism you can't understand relationship.

Saturn Moon Mercury -- an impersonal view of psyche.

The trans-Saturnians spiritualize the impersonal view of psyche given by Moon Mercury Saturn.

The trans-Saturnians would view the Moon Mercury Saturn as the field of ignorance (maya).

Who comes out on top will be anonymous (Moon, flag-bearer).

Natal septile between Chaldeans -- truth embodied instinctually, in the animated organism.

Trans-Saturnian septiles -- commentary on natal Chaldean septiles.

Event

Experience of Overself consciousness - inspiration experience, experience of your mind being taken away from you -- a visitation -- the unknownness is the hallmark of a mystical experience.

2/8/1920

Mars tri-septile Mercury

Uranus bi-septile Neptune

Uranus bi-septile Uranus

Sun bi-quintile Mars

Neptune quintile Mercury

Saturn square Pluto

Neptune sextile Pluto

Tail conjunct Sun

Venus conjunct Mars

Mars conjunct Saturn

Jupiter quincunx Mars

Pluto conjunct Jupiter -- the unknownness of a visitation -- dark archway with 10 logs (opposite degree). [Capricorn 6, "A dark archway in the forest leads to greater depths and darkness beyond, in its shade lie an even ten logs."] Pluto shut down natal Jupiter degree (Cancer 6), saw opposite degree.

Sun square Uranus

Mercury square Sun

Mercury quincunx Head

Sun trine Head

Kundalini process -- lots of quintiles = reorganization of your thinking.

[Classnotes AB 1984 0319 End]